So. Requiem.

but the rules change...for instance---BN spoiler---suddenly tigers can carry pregancies full term, as the chatty horney pair of males shared with Anita....and the wolves (that's still gets to me) after centuries of silence and it being a secret

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Possibly. Albeit we'd already had an exception within the werecobras in their ability to produce offspring by laying eggs as opposed to live birthing. Add to that the fact that Anita's boys have long been able to take her beast from her to prevent her from changing and that for a while we've known that there were things we didn't know about the tigers (if that makes sense).

Don't forget that the wolves were angry with Richard when he first shared their words with Anita. All in all I get the impression that each of the groups are pretty secretive. Up until now the only tigers in the series were Christine and Soledad and given that neither were part of a wider group isn't it feasible that they didn't feel it necessary to share that piece of information?

I'm not saying that there aren't moments when I read the books and think deus ex machina, but I feel it's impossible to tell (given that this series was apparently always planned as being pretty lengthy) how much of what we're reading now was always intended and how much is LKH just tossing something new in there to keep up with her daily pages. It's also one of the challenges of a first person narrative - we can only learn new information at the point that Anita learns new information (and surely it's more true to the adage that 'you learn something new everyday' if, from time to time, Anita discovers that she didn't know everything?).

Apologies if anyone is getting annoyed and thinks I'm just playing devil's advocate.

devil's adv rebutle

Anita was informed that she couldn't carry by her leopard that was a nurse, ( the name escapes me) also again when she asks Jane about having a son (Andy) and I think the doctor mentions it too. So three eailer instances by dif sources.

I think if it was a rumored as a possiblity than other anilmal clans would have tried it....people really want kids no matter what they might change into so it was top secret adn the tigers where talking about it in front of Richard &co. so they were the sudden blabbermouths.

I think it was a case like JC's age or the timeline leap to make Peter older where LKH needed to squeeze something new in that she didn't foresee books ago (and in RL years ago)

just another YAABI that we love to nic-pick on thumbr

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"I'm jealous and want your life, especially the red-haired bondage toy with his own built in rope." quote Ronnie to Anita from 'DM in a Nutshell'

Crispin was thrilled with a being a potential father and Alex was freaking for the same reason. It could be said they didn't think before they spoke, or because they, or at least Crispin, knew that Anita had shared her beast before then they assumed Anita & Co. knew about its application towards pregnancy.

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Great point DK, although the ability had already been mentioned earlier.

Yes I am such a nerd that I checked the book.

It was initially just Crispin with Jason and Anita at the time that the conversation took place. She'd put the call out for a tiger because her beasts were rising and he answered. At that stage he didn't know that she didn't carry tiger for real so didn't know he was saying something he shouldn't. Then, as DK said, when they thought Anita might be pregnant by a tiger more of the details came out with Richard and the other wolves around.

It's true mlm that Lillian, Cherry and others have all previously talked about the inability of shifter's to carry children to term but none of them were tigers.

Weredogs seemed to be an exception in that their weredom is hereditary and not transmitted, but I think it's a case of wanting something to fit her plot point, not something consistent.

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I think the difference is that Jean-Claude and Asher are at least interesting, even when they're being jerks. Even when you know Jean-Claude is up to no good, it can be fascinating to try to figure out what's going through his head or see what he'll do next. Asher is less calculating, but he can be unpredictable. Requiem has his moments, but most of the time his bellyaching about not being the center of Anita's universe just gets boring. When it comes to fictional characters, I think people are much more willing to forgive bad than boring.

As for the tigers thing- yeesh, how stupid are we supposed to believe shifters are? The first time one character "took (another's) beast", ie shapeshifted in their place, I thought, "So if it's only shifting that ends the pregnancy, why can't other shifters just take the pregnant one's beast so she doesn't shift?" I have a very hard time believing that of all the thousands of shifters in the world, only the tigers (and presumably swans, unless they lay eggs) ever thought of that.

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My understanding of the difference with the tigers, though, is that most of them are born weretigers (and hence not tied to the full moon? Or is that someone else's world?). If they couldn't carry a pregnancy there would be none.

And as for keeping the "secret" of taking a pregnant were's beast, the shifter groups haven't been in contact with each other for that long (Furry Coalition is pretty new), and the tigers are sort of holier-than-thou because they're hereditary rather than infected, so it stands to reason that they wouldn't volunteer information like that.

Just my impression...

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I'll take him. yummmmmmm

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Maybe we should share. xD <3 big grin

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Lovely!!!!!! You did a wonderful job with him!

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	I think the difference is that Jean-Claude and Asher are at least interesting, even when they're being jerks.

Jean-Claude is not a jerk. How can you say such a blasphemous thing? And Asher isn't a jerk, either, he's just learned to be passive-agressive after centuries of abuse. Poor baby, he's just a victim - and now being tortured by Anita. I have to go now and comfort them.

BTW - great pic!

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Calm down, I didn't say they were jerks, I said they could be jerks. And they can, when it suits their purposes. Considering they're vampires, it's practically a survival skill.

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Whew,

Ok, I feel much better. heheh

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